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cebalrai · Jun 18, 2008, 03:42 AM // 03:42

This poll is meaningless. The people participating in it are not a random cross-section of the GW community. Sorry Hallomik, you're wasting your time.

joshuarodger · Jun 18, 2008, 03:44 AM // 03:44

interesting poll. please post results.

hallomik · Jun 18, 2008, 03:45 AM // 03:45

OK - I have the spreadsheet built, so I can now get results very quickly at any time. We're not quite to 100 responses yet, so I'm going to publish tomorrow, although I do know the percentages for each question so far.

So far, 80% of respondants are from the US and 10% are Canadian. I assume if I wait a day, I will get a more "global" response. I will check to see if there are any big regional or country differences on any of the questions.

Thanks again for the good response.

Kusandaa · Jun 18, 2008, 03:47 AM // 03:47

Replied before heading to bed, interested in seeing results. Also interesting to see 'em based on country o.o.

Chthon · Jun 18, 2008, 03:52 AM // 03:52

Your poll is flawed.

For example, the current favor system is MUCH better than what it replaced, yet still very bad in its own right. It was an improvement from truly terrible to very bad. The poll fails to capture this.

It also compresses too many issues. Example: The change to Soul Reaping that removed triggers on spirits was an unambiguously good change. The rest were unambiguously bad. (Unless you count the improvement from the totally broken 5 sec timer to the merely awful 15 sec timer.) On balance, the Soul Reaping changes taken as a unit are more bad than good. But the poll fails to capture the fact that I'd like to praise some changes and damn others.

pamelf · Jun 18, 2008, 04:01 AM // 04:01

Done. can't wait to see the results.

Perhaps this is one of the things you could post a link to in game. I think there's many players who don't post on forums who wouldn't mind completing it and having their say.

Neraphym · Jun 18, 2008, 04:01 AM // 04:01

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Originally Posted by 1 up and 2 down

How is the bundle trick even controversial? It was defiantly a broken mechanic and Anet removed it.

I don't suppose many would say it is. It definitely needed to be nerfed for the introduction of the ritualist, but it lasted a long time. People got used to doing it that way, and some were probably upset to see it go. Personally, I fondly remember the old 5 person Sorrows Furnace run. I absolutely loved it, but its horrible now with limited minions and a tank that can't hold aggro.

manitoba1073 · Jun 18, 2008, 04:02 AM // 04:02

Answered them for you hallomik,

Still as others have said theres a few problems,but i know you'll work them out with the way the choices and that are.

BTW guys its not bundle trick. It was actually known as the gear or book trick and was fixed to to the holding rituals of rits when they were introduce so they werent always auto targeted.

samifly · Jun 18, 2008, 04:09 AM // 04:09

filled out the survey but as others have said it is flawed. However its hard to get a perfect survey done.

Operative 14 · Jun 18, 2008, 05:09 AM // 05:09

I answered all the questions, very good survey. I look forward to seeing the results.

**cosyfiep** · Jun 18, 2008, 05:28 AM // 05:28

nice idea...and have finished it for you.

Darksun · Jun 18, 2008, 05:51 AM // 05:51

Great idea man, I hope people are honest with their answers and not just 1/5 to sway the pole.

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

This poll is meaningless. The people participating in it are not a random cross-section of the GW community. Sorry Hallomik, you're wasting your time.

I have to admit cebalrai has a good point. I always thought MMOs should have in-game poles so they can get at their players better (ppl with multiple accounts would sway it, but hey.. )
btw, you're gonna want far more than 100 responses to get anything worth looking at.

Bekkr · Jun 18, 2008, 06:06 AM // 06:06

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

some stuff

Dude, so what? Seriously. You think it's meaningless, you're totally free to, you know, not read it and not worry about it. Why do you even care that the OP is (in your words) wasting his/her time?

garethporlest18 · Jun 18, 2008, 06:14 AM // 06:14

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Originally Posted by Bekkr

Dude, so what? Seriously. You think it's meaningless, you're totally free to, you know, not read it and not worry about it. Why do you even care that the OP is (in your words) wasting his/her time?

I think he's one of those "GWGuru is only 1% of the community" type trolls. It's getting pretty damn old. Anyways I voted as well.

Avarre · Jun 18, 2008, 06:25 AM // 06:25

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Originally Posted by Darksun

I have to admit cebalrai has a good point. I always thought MMOs should have in-game poles so they can get at their players better (ppl with multiple accounts would sway it, but hey.. )

The average player has no idea what is good or bad for the game itself, or how the game works. An in-game poll would need to be used on issues that didn't relate to balance design.

HawkofStorms · Jun 18, 2008, 06:31 AM // 06:31

I agree with gareth and Bekkr. So what if this isn't a "scientificly accurate" poll? We aren't trying to get this poll published in some academic journal. This poll is more for our own curoisity then anything else.

Alleji · Jun 18, 2008, 06:51 AM // 06:51

Title-based, cooperative Favor System - The system is pretty lame and it took away some of the excitement to winning halls (yes, HAers found it cool to compete for and win favour, even if most of us didn't farm UW) but I realize that the old system was even worse because one region would have favour the majority of the time. If the old system somehow worked out to roughly equal distribution that would've been better imo.

Loot Scaling - /care. nothing worthwhile is scaled anyway?

Trading with Search Menu - a poor improvement, but something is better than nothing. Pretty obvious that we're not getting a good trading system in this game.

Title-based PVE skills / Ursan - whoever thought of this, please shoot yourself.

Soul Reaping changes - good change, SR is fairly balanced now.

PVP/PVE skill separation - I like it because it gives anet more freedom to balance PvP, but they do not seem to be taking advantage of that freedom yet. Too early to tell imo.

How are the rest controversial? IMO you should've included stuff like aoe scatter, greens, inscription system, locked gates or running in general (restricted mission access and linear progression from cantha onwards, as opposed to freedom to run anywhere in proph)... I'm sure there's more.

Lord Sojar · Jun 18, 2008, 07:11 AM // 07:11

Hmmm, interesting poll. I will do it tomorrow. I am doing pre bedtime trolling. But, nice setup.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

The average player has no idea what is good or bad for the game itself, or how the game works. An in-game poll would need to be used on issues that didn't relate to balance design.

I vote Avarre as god for the week. All opposed? (other MODs are excluded from voting... as is Malice!

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Striken7 · Jun 18, 2008, 07:46 AM // 07:46

Some of the topics have little or nothing to do with actual game design.

Search Menu added, Soul Reaping balanced, BMP selling, Report system added. Nothing about these affected the way the game was designed to be played. They may be controversial balance or business issues, but not game design issues. The same goes for some of the suggestions in this thread (Minion cap, AoE scatter, Bundle trick).

You could have replaced them with better options, like the addition of perfect Green Weapons, the Inscription/Insignia system, implementation of Hard Mode, Dishonor for leaving PvP matches, or removing the ability to run through campaigns.

Regardless, I answered all the poll options.

upier · Jun 18, 2008, 08:29 AM // 08:29

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Originally Posted by hallomik

I am limited to 10 questions. Depending how this poll goes I may make another. If anyone else has any ideas for other changes to put to a vote, please let me know.

Add the moronic idea that is titles affecting gameplay.
(Yeah you can leave out the "moronic" part. Just give me the option to vote for that!

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(Took the poll - the questions seem a bit strange though. I mean look at the Ursan one. Based on that question - Ursan actually comes off a a much better option then what we had before (eg. "the holy trinity" (warning: the trinity may not include only three classes nor might it include the classes you think it should. It's just an expression to show that the entrance was limited!)) So hopefully you won't try to generalize the given results - since the questions ARE fairly limiting. (And yeah I did give a 4 to Ursan! Like I said - given then question - it's better then what we had before.) Still doesn't mean that both options aren't complete and utter shit.

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